Viennese Schools

by selimani2013

I was really interested in the Second Viennese School, so I continued to look more into after class. For starters why was the Second Viennese School not like the first? What was the influence behind it, and what drew the pupils to the school? What made the school so appealing, because it got very spread out to Berlin and the United States.

We learned that Berg and Webern were his two first students and some of his top students, but they were already experienced composers. What was it that drew them and the others to Schoenberg’s school. Was it his twelve-tone technique specifically? I do not think so.  Many of Schoenberg’s students did not even follow his rules of compositions (for example his rule about a single row being used throughout a composition). Why did they come to school to learn if they would not use their teacher’s techniques?  I sadly could not find any influences as to why Schoenberg started this school. Was it because he actually wanted to teach, or he wanted to be known for being the creator of something and then spreading his techniques to others?

We know the First Viennese School was not truly a school like the second one. It was just a term used to clump composers together during the classical period in Vienna. Mozart, Haydn, and Beethoven, all who we learned about in class, and  know they never worked together. Why is it that this term (“First Viennese School”) is used for them? Perhaps it is because they all knew each other well and were slightly influenced by one another, just like Schoenberg influenced many of his students.

Did the First Viennese School get named before the other one or vice versa? I believe the First was named first because when you look at the Second Viennese School, it is usually just known as Schoenberg, Berg, and Webern working closely together and influencing each other. It is still a group of three composers working on the same type of music in the same era.

But looking further ahead to the Third Viennese School, we see that it too was just a group of composers, and not as many as the Second School. Why did this one not prosper as much as the second one did. It goes back to how the first one was, not truly a school where there was one teacher. Why was this lineage of naming a group of composers stopped after the third?

Why do you think the Second Viennese School is the only one that was an actual school and why was it the only one to actually prosper into a bigger group and have a huge number of so many diverse different students? Do you believe it was Schoenberg’s ideas, the way he taught, the time he decided to start the school, how his music was considered degenerate music at the time? What was so special about the Second Viennese School. If it had been Berg or Webern would it have prospered as much, was it solely Schoenberg by himself?

A few last questions I leave with you all, why do we not see more groups of composers or artist collaborating with one another and teaching and influencing each other? Why has that aspect of music gone away?